LETTERS: Primus and Internode reply

Ravi Bhatia comments on Telstra’s blocked exchange response

I appreciate Simon Hackett and Kate McKenzie bringing some discussion to the access to exchanges issues. While we sincerely respect Kate, I must regretfully state that she has gotten her facts wrong in relation to TEBA access process, percentage of capped exchanges, queue times and waiting periods, etc. She has clearly been misinformed.

Some of the facts have become very clear to all over the last several months. Firstly, competitors like Primus and Internode are being blocked from installing broadband equipment in public telephone exchanges.

Secondly, where access to exchanges is permitted Telstra is imposing unnecessary and inefficient design and build processes. These processes can delay builds for up to 2 to 3 years and cannot be supported by best practice engineering or safety grounds. And thirdly, despite repeated requests from many ISPs, Telstra refuses to consider implementing a more effective and efficient process for deploying equipment at exchanges.

The undeniable impact of this conduct on the part of Telstra is to stymie the evolution of full broadband competition in Australia. While it is obvious these matters need to be addressed urgently, the frustrating thing for companies like Primus is that Telstra holds all the cards and refuses  to come to the table, even just to talk. Why? My observation as an industry participant is that we have seen a cultural shift at Telstra. The culture has moved from challenging competitors to a culture of refusing to accept a competitive market.

Take this week’s Bill introduced by the Government to preserve the foundations of the current competitive industry. The regime had been under sustained, hostile and unwarranted attack by Telstra. To put it bluntly, Telstra sought to destroy competitors like Primus; and the Government has decided to step in to protect the competitive process and the interests of consumers.  

Similarly, Telstra is opposed to providing access to public telephone exchanges – as mandated by legislation – because it grows the competitive market. It is Telstra’s refusal to accept competition that leads us to the current predicament where competitors are blocked from public telephone exchanges. Curiously, Telstra has no such impediments or arbitrary delays imposed when it wishes to deploy its own DSLAMS.  

While I’m very aware this matter looks to be heading towards the courts, that’s clearly not the best solution for the industry, competition or consumers. Primus simply wants rightful access to telephone exchanges to deploy our own network as was intended by the regulatory regime.  

The antiquated and arbitrary process currently imposed by Telstra to regulate physical access to public telephone exchanges needs to be rewritten. Incredulously, Kate McKenzie seems willing to defend that process.  I hope she will be willing to sit down with industry participants and share those views. I am pleased to extend to her the opportunity to do so.  

Kate also says there is nothing mysterious or anti-competitive about the capping of exchange sites. Well, I would like to invite Kate to a couple or more of “capped” sites and she can see for herself the true situation in relation stopping deployment of our own equipment there. 

I am strongly in favour of quick interaction to resolve these issues immediately. 

Ravi Bhatia, CEO-Primus Telecom 

Simon Hackett responds to Kate McKenzie

I read, with interest, the letter this morning from Kate McKenzie in response to my own. Having written and sent letters to Kate multiple times in the last year on these and other issues, without response, it is gratifying to be reassured that she is, indeed, safe and well.

What is ignored in the response is any apparent interest in resolving these ‘capping’ situations - impacting hundreds of thousands of consumers living in their service areas - and they can be resolved. There are multiple approaches by which a theoretically ‘full’ MDF can be overcome, and there is no lack of will (or preparedness to invest) from competitors to do so. Internode (and others) are willing to negotiate with Telstra to determine and deploy one or more of those approaches, but we fear (and indeed expect) that the primary tool of a monopoly—extreme delay—will come to the fore in this regard as it has with exchange access issues in general, as and it has with cross-provider churn (where delays have stretched out into years, and where critical ULLS/LSS churn processes remain absent to this day).

With regard to regional routes - we don’t expect the cost on those routes to be ‘cheap’, we expect the cost to be ‘fair’ - and today they simply are not. It is surprising to see the ‘others will not invest in regional areas’ argument being run here in the context of Internode, of all companies; Internode, through its carrier and regional business, Agile, has spent most of a decade constructing and deploying regional broadband infrastructure in Band 3 areas in South Australia - indeed it was Internode, and not Telstra, who first serviced a number of regional SA exchanges with ADSL, literally years ahead of Telstra, using backhaul constructed from scratch due to the high cost of Telstra backhaul on the very same paths. We know what it costs to do this. And we know in detail the magnitude of the unfair advantage that is embedded in Telstra being handed these regional transmission routes on a plate in the past.

In the end, it is the regulator who must decide whether the conduct of Telstra in these regards is acceptable. And Internode is merely one of many Access Seekers who are submitting evidence and asking the regulator to re-evaluate that situation right now. We trust that the ACCC will continue its difficult, but necessary, task in this regard and will retain its resolve to act effectively in the interests of consumers—not Telstra and not Internode.

Simon Hackett  MD, Internode  

In Kate's letter, she

In Kate's letter, she claimed as little as 1 per cent of exchanges are full. According to adsl2exchanges.com.au there are at least 80 full exchanges. How many Telstra exchanges are there? According to Telstra's wholesale reports there are 2747 unique exchanges. That would put the number of full exchanges at nearly 3 per cent over the total. Or, in other words, nearly 3 times as many as Kate McKenzie is claiming. Please, Ravi and Simon, keep fighting for consumer interests!

COMMSDAY EDITOR'S NOTE: Telstra has around 5,000 exhanges. 80 is between 1 and 2% of that total.

If it is indeeed true that

If it is indeeed true that Mr.Hackett has written to Ms McKenzie on many occasions withour response, this speaks volumes about Telstra's attitude to these issues.

Anti-competitive behaviour

What did you expect Kate to say? In good old Telstra confrontational style, when Telstra's dirty laundry gets an airing somewhere, she, or another senior manager, would have to come out and spout the "party" line. She could not come out and say that Telstra is doing it's best to control/retain market share by slowing down competitor's access to the markets. That would be an own goal, of stupendous fiscal magnitude.

And Simon, of course, those methods in which a "'full' MDF can be overcome" would not be Telstra approved?

Build it and they may come.

Ravi and Simon, birds of a feather flock together. Unfortunately for you both, the eagle (Senator Conroy) flies high and hopefully is awake to your tricky asset amassing schemes. A word of advice, if I may be so bold, get in there and invest some of your own capital to support your business instead of trying constantly to cadge a free ride on Telstra.

Syd, are you paid by Telstra

Syd, are you paid by Telstra to parrot this "leeching from Telstra" theme all over the web? Investing is precisely what Simon and Ravi are attempting to do. Short of building their own exchanges, conduits, pits, pillars, laying fresh copper all over Australian neighbourhoods - an exercise as ludicrous as running parallel road networks - they're doing all they can. The roadblock is Telstra, who are a) claiming "capacity issues" when scrutiny shows this to be at least dubious if not false, and b) making no attempt to resolve what "capacity issues" may actually exist. In any case, Internode and Primus represent revenue streams for Telstra that one would think they might want to exploit fully. Do you think TEBA is free? Backhaul? ULL/LSS? Internode and Primus are paying customers.

I've had a fair bit of experience interacting with Telstra as a competing ISP. Trust me, it gets ugly. The folks at Telstra Wholesale are (mostly) quite helpful, but seem to be hamstrung by upper management's intention to pay little more than lip service to the idea of access on anything approaching equitable terms.

What's your experience, Syd? Ever tried getting a straight answer as to why you need to buy an expensive circuit of a specific type to route AAA data over? Ever pursued a billing dispute? Ever waited months and haemmorhaged money and customers due to a botched presentation of backhaul at the demarc point?

Either Telstra needs a sizeable cultural shift, or we may as well resign ourselves to a return to a monopoly situation, except this time we don't own it.

Fighting for consumers - yeah right!

Dear anonymous you seem most naive! Ravi and Simon are not fighting for the consumer, they are simply fighting to keep, and/or get their backsides in sports cars and flashy homes, at Telstra's expense. And you know what, although I totally disagree with this disgraceful approach, as it is hampering true competition and investment, as it's legal, if I were them I'd do it too!

Sydney, I think it would be

Sydney,
I think it would be best if you navigate your browser away from Telstra's media release page and have a look at the real world and you will see that your comments about Internode needing to stop "trying constantly to cadge a free ride on Telstra" are unfair and unfounded.

Internode has been very active in developing and rolling out new technologies - they are the second WiMAX provider (the first to cover such a large region), they where the first to trial and implement ADLS M technology, amongst (if not the first) to rollout ADSL 2+ on top of rolling out major infrastructure to a wide range of regional areas such as Yorke Peninsula and Coorong in SA.

Matt

Get in there and invest some of your own capital?

To Sydney Lawrence:

Did you actually bother to read the replies by Simon or Ravi?

The letter talks about constraints on access to TEBA space, declarations of "full" exchanges an when often it appears that they are not, etc.

These companies are investing their own capital. And they have a fair right to access the exchanges under the existing regulations.

Do you expect that these companies should build their own exchanges next door to the main one? Perhaps that is what you consider to be "investing your own capital". It sure sounds like it, and that would therefore make you an idiot.

Thank god

Thank god for reasonable voices in this debate.

The thing that always strikes me about Telstra spokespeople is that I can't believe grown adults can mount the arguments they do and not feel ashamed.

They are so utterly implausable as to be laughable, and yet Telstra execs still get up in lights and make them.

It's good to see the new government strengthening the ACCC's powers through better legislation. Telstra has made an artform of stringing out regulatory decisions for years through constant legal challenges, and it's only the lawmakers who can put a stop to this essentially anticompetitive practice.

The vast majority of those

The vast majority of those 5000 exchanges are tiny cabinets and RIMs and so on.

Former Telstra Wholesale spokesperson Liz Jurman told me this herself when defending Telstra's then small percentage of ADSL coverage. Her argument at the time was that the percentage was much, much higher than it looked because most of the "exchanges" didn't really deserved to be called that.

Sydney Lawrence writes:

Sydney Lawrence writes: "birds of a feather flock together. Unfortunately for you both, the eagle (Senator Conroy) flies high and hopefully is awake to your tricky asset amassing schemes."

... and it seems that Telstra Active Supporters are afflicted with a bad case of Kath-and-Kim-grade rhymes and analogies.

Many are called but few are chosen.

James, I receive no payment from Telstra and admit while I do not have the technical knowledge that you possess it is my simple belief, that while we all understand and agree that competition is to the benefit of the consumer, Telstra should not be required to sacrifice itself for the benefit of others.

Your argument is logical and has merit but still demands that Telstra be the sacrificial lamb that is to be slaughtered for the advantage of opponents. You may agree that the assistance to Telstra opponents, who without that gift are probably uneconomic, cannot continue in the long term. With the huge investment required for future system roll-out only the big and strong can survive.

I do have confidence that the new Labor Government will understand the problems and act accordingly to deliver all Australians the Fast Broadband they demand.

Syd, I agree that requiring

Syd, I agree that requiring Telstra to provide access to their infrastructure for competitors is a bad situation, I see it as essentially the least-worst measure. If Telstra own all the infrastructure, we either get a monopolized retail market, infeasible and wasteful infrastructure duplication (hello cable!), or some sort of regulated shared access, which is what we have now. It's all very well to say that only the big and the strong will survive, which is true, but how many parallel networks will we end up with if from that principle we derive that no-one has to provide access to the competition?

Your comparison of Telstra to sacrificial lambs is disingenuous. If Telstra are haemmorhaging money it is likely due to the generally chaotic, myopic and inefficient manner in which they operate rather than any regulatory "regime", which serves not to punish them for dominating the market but rather to counteract the unfair advantage of having built their network with public money as the incumbent public telco and having decades to build brand consciousness, virtually unfettered access to land on which to build exchanges and dig trenches, etc. etc. I am aware they purchased the network from the government. That was not a wise move on the government's part and of course Telstra had every right to buy it, but the bottom line is, they ended up with monopoly control of the facilities which enable the services that they go to the competitive retail market with.

As an aside, this attitude of exclusivity, monopoly, reluctance to interconnect, etc. seems to be symptomatic of traditional, pre-Internet telcos. A quick glance at the data networking protocols they've been responsible for (X.25, ATM, etc) are evidence of that, with reserved (wasted) bandwidth for virtual circuits and "call" charges forming part of the specs. The Internet, on the other hand, has always had co-operation and shared access as part of its core philosophy. Put the Internet on top of old telco networks, and this is what you get.